Servants of the Betrayer Sneak Preview Card
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Jacimo
Brewmaster
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:20 Posts: 2292 Location: London Class: Warrior antispam: 60
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Agtheo wrote: Jacimo wrote: You can only do it once, Wondervolt wouldn't work. But the one 'Naga Distiller' you destoy could faesibly be anything that had been wondervolted into becoming a 'Naga Distiller' right? For example Fungus Face (or his traitor hero equivalent) to give Kal the +5 and destroy an ability. Not the worlds most brilliant combo I admit, but with withering shouts in the mix may be useful. Here's the thing: Naga Distiller is the name of the card, not the ally type. The Warlord requires the actual Ally card. It's not like the High Priestess where an Ally - Night Elf would suffice and where Wondervolt works. If you used Wondervolt an named Smurf Jodie, they'd be Naga Distillers with a dual ally type of Naga and Smurf.
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:15 |
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Gibbobobo
Aku
Joined: 13 Jun 2007, 18:34 Posts: 553 Location: Middlesbrough Class: Warlock
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surely you'd need 2 wintervolts out, one to turn them all into naga and another to turn them all into distillers.
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:19 |
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Jacimo
Brewmaster
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:20 Posts: 2292 Location: London Class: Warrior antispam: 60
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Nope, that definitely wouldn't work. It specifies a Naga Distiller, not a Naga and a Distiller token. I'll ask Aaron about Wondervolt, personal view is it's a no go and he can only sacrifice tokens he has made himself or that another copy has made which you've gained control of (ie Ishanah).
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:33 |
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vegy17
Apprentice
Joined: 01 Jul 2007, 22:22 Posts: 41 Class: Warlock
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lol the card says remove 1, has + 5 attack, THE WORDS IF YOU DO kinda sya that it stacks and start of phase turn can stack quite alot if you think about it, have 10 in play, remove 1 + 5 attk, chain remove anotehr + 5 ECT
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:38 |
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etherkye
Grand Marshal
Joined: 25 Sep 2007, 15:51 Posts: 1361 Location: Whereever the green men take me. Class: Mage
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The words say you only get the bonus if you remove a token. If you do not remove A token you get nothing. For them to stack it would say 'FOR EACH TOKEN REMOVED THIS WAY.'
The ability triggers at the start of the turn imedidatly after untapped and before you can cast anything. It then gives you the oppptunity to sac the token if it exists. If you do you get the bonus. If you can't because it doesn't live any more you get nothing.
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:42 |
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mizilkree
Blood Guard
Joined: 17 Jun 2007, 11:46 Posts: 104 Location: near lincoln Class: Shaman
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no, you can't. His ability is "at the start of the turn, destroy a naga distiller in your party; if you do, he gets +5 atk" - where on that do you get the option of doing it more then once?? the if you do part is in case it gets destroyed after the effect goes on the chain (to stop any hijinks involving effects which destroy allies for your benefit, like besh'iah).
edit - i would agree with jacimo, wondervolt affects ally type, not ally name and imo his ability requires the token name
etherkye - you mean it gets put on the chain before you can do anything, but you can respond to it
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:47 |
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Jacimo
Brewmaster
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:20 Posts: 2292 Location: London Class: Warrior antispam: 60
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the "a" implies a singular occurence. You can't use his power more than once and it isn't an optional activation (you have to destroy a Naga Distiller in your party even if (for some reason) you don't want the +5 Atk bonus).
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:55 |
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Agtheo
For Pony!
Joined: 17 Jun 2007, 19:48 Posts: 123 Location: Reading
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Yeah, I just reread it to be sure, it's not a case of 'you may destory a Naga Distiller in your party' Kali has an effect which destoys it as a start of turn effect and either gets the bonus, or doesn't. If you could chain 'At the Start of Turn' and 'At the End of Turn' effects provided by allies as much as you liked Varimathras would be a lot more broken I imagine. An example of a card which allows you to destory more than one being worded differently to the above is Vorden the Shadowbringer:
'When Vorden enters play, destroy any number of allies in your party, then destroy an opposing ally for each ally destroyed this way.'
On the subject of Token names / subtypes as discussed by Jacimo, getting it checked is the best bet of course, but wouldn't example of why you could Wondervolt everything into Distllers using be King Magni? He states that all Dwarves in your party gain protector, which as far as I am aware applies to ally cards with the existing subtyped Dwarf such as himself, tokens desbribed only as 'Dwarf' such as the ones he creates (the same situation as 'Naga Distiller' and in addition any other ally that has been Wondervolted into 'Dwarf'. I am unsure of why in the case of Kalithresh a similarly worded ability (i.e. it does not stated 'a Naga Distiller token created in this way', but rather one that is 'in your party' would work differently.
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| 12 Mar 2008, 12:57 |
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mizilkree
Blood Guard
Joined: 17 Jun 2007, 11:46 Posts: 104 Location: near lincoln Class: Shaman
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Dwarf is an ally type, whereas the warlord refers to it by name (at least the way I see it), wondervolt doesn't change names, just adds subtypes.
edit - the "in your party" is presumably so you can't destroy opposing naga distillers for his ability
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| 12 Mar 2008, 13:03 |
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Jacimo
Brewmaster
Joined: 11 Jun 2007, 16:20 Posts: 2292 Location: London Class: Warrior antispam: 60
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"Dwarves in your party have Protector". A "Dwarf Warrior" token is a Dwarf with the class type Warrior. Wondervolt and naming Dwarf means that every ally in your party has Protector whilst Magni is on the field as he doesn't state "Dwarf Warriors in your party have Protector".
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| 12 Mar 2008, 13:09 |
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